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Frontpage vs DreamweaverI haven’t written a post about something like this in a while and after an experience with a client just now who happens to use MS Frontpage (see at bottom of post). I’m going to jump on the bandwagon and add to the hundreds of thousands of people on the internet who write Frontpage vs Dreamweaver blog post, forum post and articles (google search came up with 622,000 results for the phrase frontpage vs dreamweaver).

A few years ago when I was still messing around with design as more or less a hobby I used to use MS Frontpage. You would of never heard me say that Frontpage was evil or that it sucked. But today I can’t tell you enough how bad it is with the horrible code it writes for you (if using wyswyg editor), even if your using the code view it’s still horrible as it seems to have a mind of it’s own and do it’s own thing. Today I am in complete love with Dreamweaver although it too doesn’t do such a great job in wyswyg view but i write everything from scratch and in code view, which most designers should be doing anyhow. I have tried other programs but nothing seems to compare to it. I know the ultimate coder would say to use notepad, i just find using dreamweaver a few steps easier.

Frontpage code is overly bloated
Only good at working with the IE browser
It doesn’t write valid html
To use it to connect with a server you must have frontpage extensions installed (yuck)
The list can go on and on

While doing the search for Frontpage vs Dreamweaver I came acrossed a forum where a guy had posted about being fired from a client because his client had a friend that had frontpage and they thought they could do the job alot cheaper with using it. The client apparently said he would keep him for advice/support. Another poster said, let him be and when he needs your help to fix something or ask your assistance on something boost up your rates. Another poster posted this and I just found it amusing…

“Sell yourself (and his idiocy) not on the tools used, but the knowledge of how to use the tools.”

Shortly to be replied by

“Precisely. When the plumber handed the customer a bill that the customer demanded to have, the customer was shocked!

“A thousand dollars? All you did was knock 3 times on the pipe?”

“Yes sir. 100 dollars a knock, 700 for knowing where to knock.”.

Now on to why I decided to write this post. I had been working on a forum for a client to integrate it into his site so that it would blend right in, It was looking so good, I only had a little bit further to go till I was complete with the job. How ever he decided to take a look at the files, the header file to be exact which happens to be the file I did the most work on. He claims he didn’t touch anything and that he didn’t save the file but now when you view his forum more then half of the work I have done is now gone.

Here is a problem for me, last night I was going around on my computer and cleaning up alot of un needed files and organizing my self. I deleted all the files related to his forum as I assumed they were all safe on the server and I was going to grab fresh copies of them and have them a lil more organized this afternoon while i went to finish up the site.

After he told me what he did I just knew in the back of my head that he must of used Frontpage. I had to ask and as I suspected I was correct. I had to make a comment regarding frontpage and kindly asked him not to touch any of the files till I was done with his forum.

This sucks so bad

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  1. Robin Said,

    When I used to do web design I loved Dreamweaver.

  2. Indie Said,

    Alright you knew this post would bring me out, lol. Here’s a few points… :whosnext:

    1. WYSIWYG is for teh nubs - Nobody should be using that crap for professional work.

    2. Dreamweaver’s ftp functionality for doing “live edits” is unbeaten, I’ve tried numerous other apps (some free some not) and Nothing is so smooth for giving the illusion of editing the files right on the server.

    3. Frontpage Extensions are evil. From the user’s side they hide a lot of the user’s content and make it almost impossible to edit it “normally” instead of using propietary FP WYSIWYG crap. They also eat up the user’s disk space, and I see what appear to be exploit attempts against those paths all the time with my hosting. Unless a customer demands it, I keep them turned off, always.

    4. Heather, tsk tsk, you did a bad bad thing deleting your client backups before the job is over, lol. That one is totally your own fault, we have to make allowances for clients’ umm what’s a kind word here…. inexperience… and provide a Lot of redundancy.

    Yeah I know you know that, lol. Ok I’m done. :wave: Good post.

  3. Heather Said,

    Yeah Yeah Yeah Indie I know that. Who would of known that my client would of touched the files in the 12 hours they were off my computer. :duh:

  4. chelle Said,

    Dreamweaver all the way! I was given a free copy of Frontpage at one point and gagged on the code! It was horrible and at the time I barely knew better.

    Great post!

  5. Liosliath Said,

    You’re so right, I just hear “FrontPage” now and I have nightmares. My boss suggested, “So, now that you have the website done for Company X, let’s get them set up with FrontPage so they can make their own edits.” Noooooo! I shot that idea down quickly.

  6. Rob Impey Said,

    I’ve just got back from a job un-weaving a nightmare of a page made by a client with FrontPage. The changes that I made were pretty small but in order to get the page to display at all in Firefox and Opera I had to spend ages removing “style” crud from hundreds of TDs. I realised about half way through the job that it would have been much better if I had just abandonned most of the code and started again from scratch with Komodo and PHP.

  7. Heather Said,

    Rob I remember the “style” crud all to well. It’s almost a sure thing that a site has been created w/ front page if you see that in the source code lol. Glad that you realized to just start over from scratch even if it was 1/2 way through…

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